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04 February 2009

so how do u know u r not following the devil?


not that i believe in god or the devil
but how do u know ur religion is actually what god wants n not what the devil wants

as i said in one of my previous posts

everyone has a brain but only prophets receive the messages of god

freethinking is the devils work yet a book written thousand years ago is gods words

dont u think god would be more powerful than the devil

look at what religion has done to the world
conflict chaos confusion n war - this sure looks like the work of the devil

45 comments:

DCJ said...

Religion is the work of the devil.

Anonymous said...

Asluga kaley thee atheist eh ves noon.thiulhenee hama gaddaa vaan.thee raaje gina zuvaanun ge faadey.pakapakaaaaaaas.the gadda.LOL.

mohamed said...

call me what u will but i certainly aint muslim - nor any other religion for that matter

also if u missed it, the point of this post is to make religious people think about their religion

this is a glimpse of my view in a religious perspective

Anonymous said...

More presumptuous mediocre rhetoric by self pro-claimed freethinker

Jasmine said...

A friend referred me to your blog. Interesting!

Quote : not that i believe in god or the devil
but how do u know ur religion is actually what god wants n not what the devil wants


Its obvious a house divided against itself cannot stand. Islam from Alif to Yaa is all about warning against the devil, and taking refuge with Allah against the devil. This is the same question posed to our prophets of the past. This answer they gave I find absolutely fit for purpose.

Quote : everyone has a brain but only prophets receive the messages of god

I’m impressed :-) by your sharp sense of observation. Indeed! Suns rays of light fall on the earth but Alas only certain material reflects back it’s rays. Intriquing isn’t it?

Quote : freethinking is the devils work yet a book written thousand years ago is gods words

“freethinking” – their work needn’t all be devil’s work. Each work has to be taken on it’s merits. For me the exercise is clear-cut. By God’s Grace I have a yardstick with witch to measure what free thinkers hash out :-) Thank God for that.

The book that you refer to, is for me the Holy Koran. I read it, examined it and by God! I have discovered God’s love for me. Indeed for me this is the physical proof, touchable, readable, verifiable that is the proof for me that which my intellect tells me observing the universe at play – That there is a Creator. This revelation is the yardstick for me that keeps me from error - That to which I reffered above.

Quote: dont u think god would be more powerful than the devil?

That’s like asking “is “dark” – the absence of light?” I’m sure you get the point. :-)

Quote : look at what religion has done to the world
conflict chaos confusion n war - this sure looks like the work of the devil.


This is like seeing a half a glass of water. Some see it as …….. I’m sure you know the rest.

Anyway I think its precisely the absence of following the religion designed for mankind by the creator of mankind that is the root cause of all mankind. From that moment when Cain killed his brother Abel it has been just that … MANKIND REJECTING OR POLLUTING GOD’S GUIDANCE, AND PAYING THE PRICE FOR IT. The real tragedy would be the price he has to pay in the hereafter.

As for the works of the devil, maybe you should not forget the saying “All that glitters is not GOLD”

Guess what? I find really disconcerting that you freethinkers and secularists write such “pretty stuff” but lack methodology. Beautiful turns of language but nothing concrete on offer to seriously challenge the teachings of Islam, but still you are so critical of anybody who would work for our lives to be lead according to Islam.

We are discussing “Women in Islam” at my blog. Maybe you would learn something useful there and discover what a Miracle Islam is, and how beautiful its teachings are. . :-) .

Jasmine said...

@ DCJ.

I wonder if you had any idea how close to the truth you have come there in your comment. One correction though. Not "religion" but RELIGIONS.

By the way Islam is a Deen not just a religion.

The difference between a Deen & "religion" is HUGE.

Discover it and you would enter a world of beauty & Peace.

Peace!

mohamed said...

Interesting indeed
the queen of the muslim blogs visiting my lil ol blog


just out of curiosity how do u define which is good n which is bad?

quot #2
does that mean material that doesnt reflect goes to hell or should it be destroyed?

quot #3
good for u :D
as long as u dont do harm or interfere with other peoples lives i got nothing against u

quot #4
isnt devil a jinn

quot #5
i dont think god would make such a messy way for people to find what life is meant for
if it was a smart god who knows everything
he would make it so easy an "idiot" like me can figure it out
dont u agree

im not an atheist because i want to sin, im an atheist because for me god/religion is out of rational thinking
if that means i am going to hell for the way that "god" made me
so be it

also would u mind giving me ur opinion on this
would really appreciate it

http://freethink-maldives.blogspot.com/2008/12/join-us-or-die-message-from-umar-naseer.html

Jasmine said...

“quot #2
does that mean material that doesnt reflect goes to hell or should it be destroyed?”


God Knows Best. All that I know is that “doesn’t reflect” involves a whole range of possibilities. The same as for “reflectors”. God is the Judge who judges not according to appearances but according to Perfect Knowledge.

What is interesting is that every material has the potential to both reflect & not reflect. When you are a reflector, Lo & behold the light you reflect illuminates much so that you see much; that needs that light to see.
:-) That’s a path you have to discover & explore yourself. Reflect on how you can make the child with congenital cataracts with zero vision from birth see what red or blue is.

quot #3
good for u :D
as long as u dont do harm or interfere with other peoples lives i got nothing against u


:-) yes! I’m so Grateful to God, my Mom & Dad. Mo do you realise that as you say “doing harm & interfering” is not things so clear cut as you & I would want them to be. Discover the lessons the great Prophet Moses – Pbuh learnt with Al-Khidr in surat Khahaf. If you meditate on that you certainly would come out richer for the experience.

quot #4
isnt devil a jinn


A competent pious scholar would give Insha Allah a full answer to this question. Until such time I can share with you what I know. Two things. 1. The Guy is made of smokeless fire 2. When Allah ordered His angels to prostrate before Adam, the command also applied to him. Thus from 1 and 2 we are able to derive a fact 3. Cool isn’t it?

quot #5
i dont think god would make such a messy way for people to find what life is meant for
if it was a smart god who knows everything
he would make it so easy an "idiot" like me can figure it out
dont u agree


:-) There are many angles of viewing a picture. Some angles distort the picture, its inevitable. I suspect this is the case here.

Consider, the new born baby is born a perfect Muslim. Also consider that one of our prophets considered that to reach heaven one aught to be like children. The point I’m making is that salvation is within the reach of all with sane minds willing to think.

Really all this is quite simple. Imagine something as simple as your bicycle. Dismantle it to its bolts and nuts and rods and struts. Now imagine 1 mega explosion of 1 million kilotons acting on these bicycle primordial parts. What would you say if I said that the result of the explosion would be a completely assembled bicycle? Wouldn’t you call me an idiot?

Imagine as a Christian convert put it, if a glass jug is subjected to a huge explosion and the result is that the jug is blown into smithereens with the formation of 12 mini jugs. Once again you would say its nonsense.

So looking at the vast complexity of the universe one is left with a choice of saying there is a power behind its reality – God OR to say that like the bicycle or jug the universe is an accident – chance.

So basically a child understands that behind everything he sees is someone/something who was the cause. So really coming to the realisation of there being a God behind creation is literally Childs play.

Once there; determining God’s will requires unbiased study of the Holy Koran. The internal evidence is so many, so elaborate, so breathtakingly beautiful that you are left in no doubt that the author was indeed the Creator of the universe.

:-) That’s quite a journey, filled with twists and turns, highs and lows and great beauty. Basically it’s a journey of self-discovery. The more you learn about yourself you are faced with undeniable truths that lead you to affirm Asshadhu anlaillaha Illalahu Muhammadan Rasoolulaahi. Its an amazing journey!

Quote : im not an atheist because i want to sin, im an atheist because for me god/religion is out of rational thinking
if that means i am going to hell for the way that "god" made me
so be it


Mo! Do you realise that a lot of believers in God come to the belief in God by Gods Grace by rational thought. What I was so struck by the holy Koran once I started reading it with understanding once I left home for studies was the constant invitation by Allah to observe the reality of the Creation and to reflect on things and inviting one to come to the logical, rational conclusion. Its amazing. The constant invitation by Allah to mankind to THINK. :-) Indeed! I was born a Muslim, then Muslim because my parents were Muslims and recently a Muslim by Allah’s Grace by reflection, rational thought on the inimitable miracle that is the holy Koran. Alhamdulillahi!.

Insha Allah I’ll read the link that you suggest and give my take. I also want to read your other posts. I’m curious as to what you wrote about Pascals wager.

Peace to you o Mo!

mohamed said...

i like u
at least u do think about what u believe i just hate those mindless followers

have to say though u do a lot of beating around the bushes with metaphors n stuff never a straight answer(i know its not simple to give a straight answer)

either way u cant prove or disprove anything all u have r ur personal stories so we have to agree to disagree
i see the glass half empty n use the glass half full
only together we can be neutral

& im sure the irrational out number the rational in the religious world

one thing
do u believe there should be a harmonious existence between different faiths? including homosexuals

also u didnt answer me this
how do u define which is good n which is bad?hesse

Rose said...

Jasmine,

"God is the Judge who judges not according to appearances but according to Perfect Knowledge"

I understand that this PERFECT KNOWLEDGE is beyond comprehension to an ordinary human being, and its not surprising considering that fact the that no individual human being alone can comprehend all the knowledge we as a human race has gathered since we started living here on earth.

Each and every thought that a human being has thought, is thinking about and will think about God knows.

Each and every skin flake that has been shed, is being shed and would be shed by each and every single human being that has lived, is living and will live God knows.

In short, God KNOWS EVERYTHING.
God knows that the author of this blog, genuinely believes that there is no God, and believes that religion is the root cause of all the wars, chaos and conflict between the human beings.

Now here is my question; Has God been fair to the author?, The author claims that he has not seen, felt, heard or even tasted a single sign of God.

mohamed said...

i can guess her answer

"im being ignorant!!"

right jasmine


its ok i dont mind freedom of expression
but the thing we have to learn is to co-exist

so jasmine can islam co-exist without being a dictator?

Anonymous said...

@ Mo
Is HOMOSEXUALITY a FAITH NOW?

Anonymous said...

@anon
obviously its not. he never said that.

but i guess that answers his question. i'm expecting something similar from J.

Anonymous said...

"do u believe there should be a harmonious existence between different faiths? including homosexuals"

I thought he meant HOMOSEXUALITY is some kind of faith. The reason why I inquired was out because I am a homosexual.

Yours Truly said...

Mo,

Say over night, all human beings converted to atheists. What you need to understand is even if that was the case, only thing that we all be sharing is our lack of belief in a God.

There will still be Wars fought for land, oil and even water. Simply cause we take religion out of the equation doesn't solve conflicts that you refer in your post.

For the record, more death and famine was created under atheists and their regime than that of all the religions combined; Mao Xedong, Saloth Sar, Enver Hoxha Josef Stalin Sung 1I.

If you don't like God, then enjoy your life.. it is part of your free will.. No one is holding a gun to your head

mohamed said...

@ Yours Truly
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.


if that is the case only bad people will be bad, there would be far lass innocence caught in the cross fire

look at hamas n palestine
im no expert but do u think palestine would support hamas if it weren't for islam?

dont hold something some bastards did against us - (atheists dont support that)
im not holding what terrorists does against islam - (but if u r religious enough u can be manipulated into supporting this)


oh n i dont want the whole world to turn atheist
i just want it to loose power over the government

also someone just might take a machete against my neck saying im an apostate


@ homosexual anon

no i didnt mean it as a faith im just pointing at what islam wants out of the society
(guess i should have phrased it better)

Yours Truly said...

Mo,

Its not a matter of you as an atheist supporting the mass-killing done by another atheist. As I have mentioned earlier only thing that all atheist's agree upon would be and is their belief in nonexistence of a God or God's.

The point was even with any belief in a God or a religion human beings like you and me are capable of committing mass-murders which you conveniently seem to ignore.

Do I think Palestine would support, Hamas if not for Islam?

Before we can dwell on this subject it is important to understand the nature work Hamas is engaged in the Palestinian territories; more than 90% of their work and resources are spent on "social, cultural and educational activities"... they have "established hospitals, schools, and libraries, and provided other social services" in the west bank. By claiming that Palestinian's support Hamas simply cause of Islam is an over-simplification of facts.

mohamed said...

u got a point there
& i admited to it with this statment

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

**my point being religion does not help create peace

religion did serve i good purpose in the past but i think its a concept which is getting out dated

Yours Truly said...

Mo,

For the record and information for those who are following this discussion as I see you have forgotten to acknowledge the person who made that statement. It was by Steven Weinberg (a Nobel laureate for Physics)

Would you care to elaborate and back this statement with examples?

mohamed said...

oh yea sorry bout that

punishment on apostasy, gay bashing, intolerance of other faiths, faith base killing to save people from hell, beating children based on ur faith, keep children from getting a good (neutral) education & i dont know may other cult shit

did u see Richard Dawkins root of all evil?
pretty much sums it all up

The Shadowrunner said...

"Adults with imaginary friends are stupid."

God and Devil are best pals who got into an extended game of "The Sims 3"

Jasmine said...

Quote 1. - i like u
at least u do think about what u believe i just hate those mindless followers


All praises are due to Allah. Thank you. You see Mo if you take the time to speak to your interlocutors as equals you would be very surprised to find out how discerning most believers are. However if you approach from above down as lots of people do, you don’t get the most of people and really we are the losers because often they have such a lot to offer you. :-) Pls don’t think I’m lecturing. I’m not, simply cos I’m not qualified to lecture.

Incidently Prophet Muhammad – Pbuh gives us detailed instructions on how to interact with our fellow humans. Even our enemies. Muslims are by Allah’s Grace at an advantage in this regard cos we have authentic texts in its original languge. Hey! Sorry! I must not bore you. :-)

Quote 2 - have to say though u do a lot of beating around the bushes with metaphors n stuff never a straight answer(i know its not simple to give a straight answer

Oh dear! When did I do that? I use this format of replying so that you could raise a question with specifics. Also I undertake this discussion not with a mind to disputation. (That’s discouraged by our Prophet –Pbuh) but hoping to learn something from you, and hoping you would find something useful in my efforts at writing,
:-). As such I like my reader to fill in the blanks, apply punctuation etc. That way there is mutual real-time participation.:-) Don’t you think it can lead to a fruitful exchange of ideas?

Quote 3 - either way u cant prove or disprove anything all u have r ur personal stories so we have to agree to disagree
i see the glass half empty n use the glass half full
only together we can be neutral


:-) Of course! How can I prove to you anything? I wouldn’t even attempt that. I must confess that I’m almost selfish here. (Please Allah! Forgive me!) I say this because I’m just sharing with you how some observations or ideas influenced me to accept something as proof for something else; without making any attempt to convince you. That most would say is selfish, & I would readily agree.

If for example you put to me how you proved to yourself that God doesn’t exist, I would find that really fascinating. I certainly wouldn’t think you were trying to prove to me that God doesn’t exist. After all who am I, for you to take that trouble? I hope that’s kind of clear.

Quote 4 - & im sure the irrational out number the rational in the religious world

Mo, I just don’t think I’m qualified to sit in judgement and generalise and say.. “the irrational out number the rational in the religious world”.

Once again our Prophet’s example preclude us Muslims from that line of thought. Certainly what I can affirm out of personal experience is that with unbiased, ruthless, rationality when one is face to face with oneself & the universe, then Masha Allah, one is wrenched into awakefulness & one has no option but to accept the reality of oneself, the universe & Allah, Creator of all.

This is again me sharing my personal experience. Sorry!. But its impossible for me to explain, prove these things – Its like trying to prove to you what red is if you were blind or trying to talk to you of the scent of some flower when you have had a bad cold. You see you have to experience it. Really its up to you if you wanted to try it out.
:-)

Quote 5 - one thing
do u believe there should be a harmonious existence between different faiths? including homosexuals


Mo! I’m a Muslim, as such I have to bow down to what Allah has revealed in his holy Koran & His prophet’s Hadis. When Allah says there is no compulsion in religion all Muslims have got to say… “we hear & we Obey. This is the bead-rock to harmonius existence between faiths. The Prophet –Pbuh by his example showed that in a Muslim state with non muslim subjects under the protection of the Muslim state had nothing to fear from muslims. They had freedom of their religion. Such people are in effect until judgement day under his protection, and the Prophet -Pbuh was clear that on judgement day we would be answerable.

Regarding homosexuality, Allah has made clear that it’s prohibited. In fact Sodom and Gomorrah were completely destroyed because the people of those cities refused to heed their prophet Lut –Pbuh and stay away from homosexuality and homosexual rape. What Allah has forbiden nobody can make allow it. By the way please reffer to the Koran Chapters Surah Hud(11:74-83) & Al Araf (7:80-84).

Hey! I know that you are an atheist. I’m giving you references from Allah’s word in the interest of methodology. Please do not think that I impose on you anything!

Quote : also u didnt answer me this
how do u define which is good n which is bad?hesse


I felt disappointed reading this. I took effort to write out my answer. Obviously I didn’t make myself interesting enough for you to read the story in the Koran about Prophet Moses & Al Khidr – Pbut. If you had, then there would have been so much for you to ponder about what is Good & Bad. You wouldn't have asked this question again.

Well since you decline the opportunity of discovering things, let me answer you as short as possible. What is Good is what Allah has made good as elicited in the Koran & Hadis. What is bad is what Allah has forbidden in the Koran & Hadis.

Wow! That was long. At least I hope by Allah’s grace I have made myself clearer.

Allah knows Best & Peace!

Jasmine said...

@ Rose

Quote : In short, God KNOWS EVERYTHING.
God knows that the author of this blog, genuinely believes that there is no God, and believes that religion is the root cause of all the wars, chaos and conflict between the human beings.

Now here is my question; Has God been fair to the author?, The author claims that he has not seen, felt, heard or even tasted a single sign of God.


Hi Rose,

Forgive me, but pressure of work delayed the response. I’m a Muslim. The nature of your question implies that I’m called to sit in judgement between God & MO. Given the fact that I’m a Muslim I have accepted a’ priori that God is Judge of judges. In legal parlance I have no jurisdiction try the case. To put in another form a Magistrate does not sit in as presiding judge at the supreme court hearing.

If you find that not to your taste there is universally accepted legal principle…..

Ignorantia legis neminem excusat - Ignorance of the Law does not excuse.

Indeed! Allah is All knowing, The Just, The Merciful. Allah does not wrong His Slaves. On the Contrary Allah loves Man tens of times more than a mother could ever love her child. :-)

Alhamdulillahi! Islam is Coooooooooooool isn't it? :-)

Peace!

DCJ said...

Of course, not all wars and conflicts were fought in the name of religion but MOST of them!

Taking religion out of the equation will still cause wars and conflicts over resources but what is truly worrying is that when you invoke the name of religion it makes it easy to justify.

Hence, conducting a Jihad, even when it is not called for, can be easy by claiming it's a Jihad.

Hell, the fight we are fighting over Maldivian Blogosphere is ample proof of this. There are all these anonymous hypocrites posing themselves as Muslims while in reality they are just hiding behind it to support legitimisation of child marriage, veiling, etc.

So the very nature of religion offers the opportunity for perverts and war-mongers to carry out their agenda too easily.

mohamed said...

@Jasmine

oh sorry about that - i skipped some of the stuff u wrote n missed it
i just read the Al-Khidr and Moses story

for an unbeliever this is a sick story
its like raping some girl & explaining "in the future she was gonna become a whore, i just saved her by raping her"

sick people will find justification for anything with this story
the story itself calls for u to look at it from both sides
unfortunately (i think) u only saw the good in it


u know what i think of u?
i think u r like alice crawling deeper & deeper into the rabbit hole & just got lost in the wonderland (sorry if it offended u but im sure u think something similar about me)

just please, please dont harm others only based on ur faith

Binoculars said...

Dear Jasmine,

I do respect your views, but still i think your taking Quran very literally.

Just because there is a middle man saying to you that homo sexuality is forbidden in religion, you believed it.

Have you tried different versions of translations?

also jasmine, world is not like the way you see it and neither quran is that easy for it being written from the wisest hands

Maybe at that time, the constitution banned homosexuality, because the prophets your talking about were leaders of colonies.

and they were the ones to discover those verses (how ever you think or i think it was discovered) it was used to rule as an empire.

and quran doesnt say its a religion, it says about all the religious stories, but maybe those were empires too. do you know how old the language is, also do you that the arab has migrated and changed the dilect into so many versions that the true meaning of quran can be misinterpreted.

also quran is about world wide knowlege and wisdom and lot of things you cant even imagine of. it teaches the lesson of spirituality resposibilty and sorts of things.

sometimes to me you sound very similar to cristians, who belived that the god is crist, like in you believing that everything is the prophet mohamed.

also dont try to be like him, because he never tried to be like anyone other than him self.

so you be your self!

Binoculars said...

and mohamed i think your heart and mind will tell you when your doing wrong, when you feel fear or scared you should know that your body is telling you that something is wrong. and when you feel happy and content...it means its good. thats how you measure right and wrong... and also you will sense.. the feeling of betrayal, to your self when you follow the devil... and thats how i think i know when im following the devilor going wrong and put my self back in the right track. im just sharing my experience.

Arse Hole said...

"just please, please dont harm others only based on ur faith"

Translation: Jasmine I don't give a crap about what you write or your views. As long as you don't hit, stab, mug, mock, rob, rape or kill people for Islam we are cool.

Jasmine said...

@ Mo

Quote 1 : for an unbeliever this is a sick story
its like raping some girl & explaining "in the future she was gonna become a whore, i just saved her by raping her"

sick people will find justification for anything with this story
the story itself calls for u to look at it from both sides
unfortunately (i think) u only saw the good in it.


I was surprised by your take of the story, and your comment. Interesting!

I think from the outset it’s obvious to me that Al Khidr had all the authority to act as he did, because Moses is spite of having all spiritual & temporal authority vested in him differed to Al Khidr and accepted the superior authority of Al Khidr. Obviously Al Khidr derived that authority from Allah.

Secondly it’s interesting how Prophet Moses opens up the conversation with Al Khidr…
018.066
YUSUFALI: Moses said to him: "May I follow thee, on the footing that thou teach me something of the (Higher) Truth which thou hast been taught?"

To me this was quite significant. Higher truths that Al khidr had which had it’s origin in Allah. So there is a big difference to what you said ( see in quot. marks below) that if you observe carefully does not even correspond with the Koranic narration at all…..

“…its like raping some girl & explaining "in the future she was gonna become a whore, i just saved her by raping her"”.

As for sick people they do not need any justification except the twisted logic that propels them. An eg. Is the sick mind in your example who raped the girl.

I learned from this great story in the Koran that there are truths & higher truths and when one thinks deeply something as apparently straight forward as “TRUTH” itself had tremendous depth of meaning and relativism. This also indicates to me the logical basis as to why I need Guidance from God at all.

I like to share with you what a great modern thinker (Maudoodi) had to say about this Koranic story…

…. “The lesson contained in this story is this "You should have full faith in the wisdom of what is happening in the Divine Factory in accordance with the will of Allah. As the reality is hidden from you, you are at a loss to understand the wisdom of what is happening, and sometimes if it appears that things are going against you, you cry out, 'How and why has this happened'. The fact is that if the curtain be removed from the "unseen", you would yourselves come to know that what is happening here is for the best. Even if some times it appears that something is going against you, you will see that in the end it also produces some good results for you.” …..

Quote 2 : u know what i think of u?
i think u r like alice crawling deeper & deeper into the rabbit hole & just got lost in the wonderland (sorry if it offended u but im sure u think something similar about me)


No I don’t think of you in like manner.

Quote 3 : just please, please dont harm others only based on ur faith

A Muslim is someone who is completely submitted to Allah. Allah has forbidden to harm anybody, and taught us to be just. In parting 5 short hadis that was posted on my blog that really moulds a Muslim's conduct, and which I have seen in many Muslims …

By Him in whose hand my soul is, you will not enter Paradise unless you believe, and you will not truly believe unless you love each other.
- Al Bukhari and Muslim.

Do not pursue material things too much or else you will be absorbed by the world. - At Tirmidhi.

One who lacks kindness of heart lacks all good. – Muslim.

Allah is Gentle and loves Gentleness in all things. – Al Bukhari and Muslim.

The (example of the ) value of this world in comparison to (that of) the hereafter is as if you dip a finger in the ocean and then pull it out. So see how much water sticks to it. – Muslim

Such are the teachings of Islam. For me as a Muslim I strive not to harm humans, animals and even plants. All based on Islamic teachings. :-)

mohamed said...

if there was no god what would u think of that story?


also would u mind givin me ur opinion on this

http://freethink-maldives.blogspot.com/2008/12/join-us-or-die-message-from-umar-naseer.html

Jasmine said...

Dear Binoculars,

Quote 1 – “I do respect your views, but still i think your taking Quran very literally.

Just because there is a middle man saying to you that homo sexuality is forbidden in religion, you believed it.

Have you tried different versions of translations?”


May God Guide & Bless you. I must admit that I’m not an Islamic scholar. As such I’m not competent to formulate a scholar’s understanding of the Koran. Having said that I also believe that Allah send the Koran for all mankind. As such it’s not beyond the comprehension of ordinary human beings. Having said this I must say the more one advances in knowledge and spirituality the more one appreciates the depth and nuances in meaning.

I wonder which middle man you have in mind? As far as homosexuality is concerned there is no doubt in my mind why the people of Prophet Lut were destroyed. They were destroyed for their homosexuality. What other conclusion is possible? when you read in surat Al Araf…
007.080
YUSUFALI: We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
007.081
YUSUFALI: "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."
007.084
YUSUFALI: And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime!

My personal opinion is that. You must approach a scholar who would be able to relate Koranic and Hadis evidence on the prohibition of Homosexuality.

Quote 2 – “and quran doesnt say its a religion, it says about all the religious stories, but maybe those were empires too. do you know how old the language is, also do you that the arab has migrated and changed the dilect into so many versions that the true meaning of quran can be misinterpreted.”

I’m sorry I don’t understand you about colonies & empires earlier & now you saying “ & quran doesn’t say it’s a religion”. I agree that Koran interpretaion has its great problems. Having said that by Allah’s Grace the idiom of the Arabic used 1400 years ago is well preserved. If you read “road to Mecca” you would learn that in the early 20th century there were still Bedouin tribes in Saudi who used the classical Arabic that you refer to. I agree on the difficulties & I also note that classical commentaries exist that goes back in time to those early days. Thus the need for Islamic scholars & the need for everyone to pursue that knowledge.

Quote : 3 - sometimes to me you sound very similar to cristians, who belived that the god is crist, like in you believing that everything is the prophet mohamed.

also dont try to be like him, because he never tried to be like anyone other than him self.

so you be your self!


Wow! I love and respect our Prophet Muhammad because he is the Messenger that Allah sent us. I try to follow him because Allah has given countless ayats asking us to follow the Prophet. Allah makes it clear that Muhammad –Pbuh was Allah’s slave and the final Messenger to whom he gave all instructions that had to be transmitted to men and jinn. Please visit my blog and read the post “Allah asks us to follow the prophet” & perhaps even more informative some comments there on this. Consider the following:-

*You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.* (Al-Ahzab 33:21)

59:7 .. And whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it. And whatsoever he forbids, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal.

003.031 : Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

“Whosoever obeyeth Allah and His Messenger, he verily hath gained a signal victory.” (Al-Ahzab: 71)

He Almighty also says: “And whoso is rebellious to Allah and His Messenger, he verily goeth astray in error manifest.” (Al-Ahzab: 36) Another verse says: “And whoso disobeyeth Allah and His Messenger, lo! his is fire of hell, wherein such dwell for ever.” (Al-Jinn: 23)"

The Sunnah is also Divine revelation. How? The proof of this is Quran verses which means:

Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is only a Revelation revealed(53:3-4)

I hope you understand why I want to imitate the prophets behaviour. Because He was Guided by Allah and Allah asked mankind to follow him. ( I have taken all these Ayats from comments in my blog, and appreciation to all those bro/sis- May allah reward them. Please raed the comments there from such as Daria, Thakuru, Yusuf, Lima, etc.)

Anonymous said...

Muslims are following the Devil...we should to throw them down a hole and bury those goat-fuckers alive before they strike us freedom

Binoculars said...

Dear Jasmine,

Quote: "My personal opinion is that. You must approach a scholar who would be able to relate Koranic and Hadis evidence on the prohibition of Homosexuality."

Of course thats what i call a "middle man". a so called scholar!!!

You misunderstood me some how, dear what i was telling you is that between me and my god, there is no ONE, not even your blog, quran, or any prophets. for me those are just examples of living and i can extract what i think is good from it, and also i mean i can extract what i love and what inspires me to do good even from a song or a film too, it doesnt matter what it is....because my god tells me to think BINO, think from your mind and process and evaluate good and bad before you proceed. also god says there is no one between us, when you look at this world you will know i exist in the trees to birds and thats who i am, i am your survival and i am where you came from.

Believe me, now that i hear all this should i call my self a prophet now, NO, i dont want to... cause as i said its between me and my god.

if you need a book to speak to your god, your blind and ignorant, and that wisdom is not in you, if you need a another person to let your heart find god, that means your heart is weak.

and talking about gay, i ahve a friend of mine who was abused by this quran teacher..... several times and when he grew up, he became to be gay

Now people like you will say its wrong, he is making sin.he should pray to god... but people like me we say, during the most peak period, or during the time of his development (childhood) he was completely innocent for him being a child. and also it was not his fault. and i will believe it when he grows up and says im gay.

Also there are people who has more female hormones so they turn gay. first of all god made that happen.No human made that happen!

there are people with breasts and penis, god made them too. not because they did sins in their mothers wombs. what are they suppose to do if they were made that way.

the most beautiful thing for them is to accept what they are and feel greatful for being them selves, but your religion teaches them to pray????

for what??? to go into a self denial stage!

But think jasmine, how can a boy who was raped in his quran class have faith in that quran or god, which couldnt do anything, while he was raped. will he ever get that faith. and thats what i mean by you dont see the world as it is dear, your looking into your dream world, where everyone was prophets or hooralins who pour words of grace.

wake up dear, your missing the big picture here!

and who the ever said that alice in wonderland is a confusion down the rabbit whole and getting lost thing,.... back off man dont mess with alice, thats my favorite cartoon.

Only men gets lost down the rabbit hole, not women!

Jasmine said...

@ binoculars

May Allah Guide Us All.

mohamed said...

@Binoculars
oh alice gets so lost in there she was crying in the woods
& im not bad mouthin that cartoon its one of my favs
(lookin forward to the tim burton version)

& yea i understand y men gets confused there
that place is really crazy ;P




@jasmine

if there was no god what would u think of the moses story?

also this is the third time im asking (just in case u didnt see it)

would u mind givin me ur opinion on this

http://freethink-maldives.blogspot.com/2008/12/join-us-or-die-message-from-umar-naseer.html

Binoculars said...

hehe, yeah me looking forward to it too. :)

mohamed said...

lol guess u didnt catch up on what i was implying in the last comment to u

think what i should have said was "only men"

either way i was jokin

Binoculars said...

i actually did...hehehe, and thats what i meant by "only men" too ;)

DCJ said...

"@ binoculars

May Allah Guide Us All."

Jasmine, dhen anehhen goaheh noon. Varah misguided ey bune veynee. Vaanuvaa neygigen ulhey faadu jahanee.

"Saved" kiyaa film egga Mandy Moore ulhey goiy balailumun thimaa ah thimaa mi ulhevey gothaai (adhi ulhevey "reality" ves) engidhaane.

Ehenveema e film balailachchey Jasmine loabeeeee.

Anonymous said...

"Islam is Coooooooooooool isn't it? "

um.. I dunno. she seems kinda psychotic if you ask me.

Anonymous said...

Yeah .. i kinda agree islam is cool

Anonymous said...

This Jasmine... very delusional. May ALL the past contradictory gods give her the strength to face the truth that they do not exist.

Anonymous said...

Jasmine, one day u wil be died definately

Anonymous said...

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